A ROMAN CATHOLIC church in Avignon, France, has been defaced by urine, excrement and arson in multiple attacks by Muslim youths.  In an interview translated at GalliaWatch, the Archbishop of Avignon, Jean-Pierre Cattenoz, was philosophical about recent developments, which he said marked “a turning point in the religious history of our country.” He predicted that Muslims in France will be in the majority in 30 years. He said:

“For fifteen years I lived in a land of Islam. I am therefore prepared to live in a France that has a Muslim majority. It’s just that I wonder what the conditions of our cohabitation will be like.”

Tiberge at GalliaWatch describes the full depressing reality in Avignon. One of her commenters writes:

It is … clear that the French population is more interested in sporting events and maintaining early retirement benefits than in the survival of what was the French people.

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Lisa writes:

Here the contrast seems to be made to be “French” (or “Gallic”)vs. “Muslim,” with a bow to “incidental” Christianity in the mix. Unless people realize that this is not just a religious war, but a cultural war, with elements outside religious consideration, all that is lovely of old Christian Europe will die. “Converting” immigrating Muslims will not preserve what is French about France, English about England, German about Germany, and on one level, the Archbishop realizes this by referring to “Gallic,” rather than “Christian” families. Such “conversion” would only provide for a benevolent genocide of Europeans, and historical Christianity.

Laura writes:

Yes, converting African Muslims would not ensure that Europe remains European.

Hurricane Betsy writes:

If the building that the priest is standing in front of (in the linked photo) is the church under discussion, I think I would piss in or around it, too. It looks very much like the large structures where heavy equiment operators store their giant earth- and snow-moving machines where I live. It also looks somewhat similar to those ugly new cheap evangelical and Jehovah’s Witness churches I see staining the landscape just about everywhere. I’ve been in them and experienced about as much spiritual feeling as I would in a dentist’s waiting room. The old fashioned churches – now, I feel happy and uplifted just being in them regardless of what’s taking place in front of me or not.

However, if the church being damaged looked anything at all like this, anyone so much as giving it a dirty look should be shot on sight.

I’d like to add that I don’t think Muslims in general have any hatred for Christianity. That’s not what the defacing of churches in the western world is about.

Laura writes:

It is an ugly church. There are many ugly buildings. I can’t imagine urinating on the floor in order to express my displeasure with the architecture anywhere. In any event, that is not what the vandals had in mind.

Many Muslims don’t have an active hatred for Christianity, but, judging from their behavior and words, they also don’t have an active hatred for the many Muslims who have committed violent acts against Christians, Hindus and Jews. And to the extent that they do not bear an active desire to rid the world of these infidels, they are in violation of their own faith. Allah’s edict to “kill the unbelievers wherever you find them” is not an ambiguous command. From its very beginnings, Islam was spread by jihad. Srdja Trifkovic, author of Prophet of the Sword, writes in the recent issue of Chronicles:

Islam had developed a doctrine, legal system, and historical practice of mandatory violence against nonbelievers many decades before the Mu’tazilite thinkers [who tried to submit Islamic doctrines to rational analysis]. Muhammad’s early followers, sweeping across the Middle East, North Africa, Iberia and the subcontinent, adopted bloodshed and terrorism as a divinely ordained method. The Jews of the Old Testament exterminated non-Jews in the name of their God, but they did so on specific commandment against specified enemies. To the Muslim warriors, the command was open-ended fromthe outset.

Mohamed Mohamud, the Somali immigrant who was just arrested for attempting to murder hundreds of people in Portland during a Christmas tree lighting ceremony, told undercover FBI agents he wanted to “explode on these infidels.” He is a classic modern Muslim warrior. His psychological motives were obviously complex, but they apparently included the desire to live out his faith.

John P. writes:

Your reporting of this event inadvertently casts light on your interesting, but, regrettably, pointless debate about whether atheists can be conservatives (no offense intended.) I would certainly never do such a thing and it fills me with rage that someone would. Yet a Catholic Archbishop is “philosophical” about living in a state of dhimmitude and will not speak out against Islamification and the desecration of a Catholic church, however ill designed it be. Despite the well articulated arguments on the side of the believers, actions speak louder than words. Who do you want on YOUR side? Really, who do you want on your side? By their fruits shall ye know them.

James P. writes:

Muslims may not have an active hatred for Christianity, generally speaking, but they are quite correct to hold Christianity in contempt for refusing to defend itself even to the extent of, in the Avignon case, allowing its enemies literally to defecate all over it.

Laura writes:

Yes, they are.

Bartholomew writes:

John P wrote,

“Your reporting of this event inadvertently casts light on your interesting, but, regrettably, pointless debate about whether atheists can be conservatives (no offense intended.)…Who do you want on YOUR side? Really, who do you want on your side? By their fruits shall ye know them.”

I thought this might be the atheists’ reaction.

To say that atheists cannot be conservatives is not to say that we don’t want them to be conservatives. It isn’t to say that we don’t want them to be on our side. It seems it’s not just the Calvinists who conflate what they want to do with what they can do. That atheists cannot be conservatives is just an observation of fact: it’s like saying that straw can’t be made into gold. That’s just the truth, and what I want has nothing to do with it.

Also, to say that atheists cannot be conservatives is not to say that atheists cannot ally with conservatives. They can, and I hope they do. It only means that since what animates conservatives–the desire to defend the revealed order of God–cannot animate atheists, the animating core of conservatism and atheism must differ, i.e. they are not the same.

Of course, God wants atheists to become Christians and to stand fully on the side of truth. Hey, God wants everyone in the world to become Christians and to stand fully on the side of truth. But somehow, in a way I confess I do not understand, God has allowed His will to be separated from the reality of the universe. Things exist that are apart from His will. And we all feel the pain and suffering that results.

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